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Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time

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Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time Old Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:37:13 PM #28205 Perm Link
Still a bit dubious about the reliability of a flash based drive? Then this might interest you, here's the good part. Wink

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When asked about the reliability of NAND-based hard drives, Barnetson had no problem shrugging off fears of write corruption of failure. "Samsung's solid-state devices have a MTBF of approximately 1 to 2 million hours." Typical disk-based hard drives have a mean-time between failures of approximately 100,000 to 200,000 hours. Since there are no moving parts, the only real point of failure is for something to come unsoldered or a problem with the physical bit during a write.

Obviously, write-errors are a huge concern for those who have used flash products in the past. Only a few years ago the highest-end flash media was only useable for 1,000 or so writes. At that point the physical bits would "burnout" and could no longer be flipped. Today's single-level cell (SLC, memory that stores one bit per cell) is rated in excess of 100,000 hours before burnout. Multi-level cell flash, memory that stores multiple bits per cell, is significantly cheaper but even then is still rated at over 10,000 writes before burnout.

Is 10,000 writes enough? Absolutely, assures Barnetson. Samsung memory uses a technique called "wear leveling" to distribute the writes on a media through as many groups of cells as possible. Consider a typical computer that writes 120 megabytes per hour to the hard drive. On a 32GB solid-state NAND drive, wear leveling would distribute this data over the entire drive -- it would take 267 hours to fill the device once. Even on a multi-cell flash device, at this rate it would take no less than 150 years to burnout all the bits on the SSD. Single-cell drives are capable of ten times as many writes.

Even so, Samsung's initial solid-state drives are all single-cell designs. This first generation of SSDs are prohibitively expensive for most, but Samsung's SSD roadmap already has plans for multi-cell level drives as early as next year, which should bring the cost down considerably. Additionally, Samsung anticipates announcing drives in capacities of up to 128GB in early 2008.


The entire full article is at http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4962

Edited at Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:23:54 AM
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Re: Default Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time Old Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:02:07 PM #28231 Perm Link
In response to daemon #28205
Flash storage for permanent storage is a fun idea... I still don't think it is ready.

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Re[2]: Default Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time Old Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:17:11 PM #28239 Perm Link
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good idea but the price is just not cheap enough for prime time I think. specially if you are considering large storage space.
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Re[3]: Default Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time Old Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:19:59 PM #28241 Perm Link
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I like the posibility of incredibly small and quiet hard drives, but the price and the youth of the product concern me.

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Re[4]: Default Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:01:49 AM #28261 Perm Link
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Not even just quiet, these new drives should be awesome for notebook battery life. That's where the real benefit is.

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Re[5]: Default Solid-state Drives Ready for Prime Time Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:57:43 AM #28275 Perm Link
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Very true, they will be a godsend for notebooks. Small, quiet, no energy consumption.

I just hope that they make a secure brand that is not as prone to breakage as flash cards are.

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(No Title) Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:23:55 PM #28299 Perm Link
There's already a few vendors that are offering SSD in a couple of their lappies

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(No Title) Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:31:50 PM #28308 Perm Link
Sounds good but will it be for storage only or will it be able to hold an OS? if so will it support NTFS and will you need to defrag after storing tons of docs, pics, movies etc over time? Food for thought.

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(No Title) Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:43:34 PM #28315 Perm Link
I like the idea if the storage, price, and performance can get to todays HDs.
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(No Title) Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:48:45 PM #28319 Perm Link
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I would think that defragging would be a nono. Considering that random reads and writes to flash should be much faster than a hard drive, this should be a nearly nonissue.

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(No Title) Old Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:06:00 PM #28327 Perm Link
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Yeah the seeking speed should be instantanous so no "ms seeking time" here.

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